Dori Durbin: Welcome to, that's Good Parenting, the podcast that searches for simple steps to reduce your parenting stress. I'm your host, Dorie Durbin Children's book illustrator, book Coach Podcaster, and what I do is help parents and family focus experts. Kid size, complex concepts into children's books that children understand and love.

Dori Durbin: Today's conversation is for parents who are navigating that very complex and trying teen and tween years, i'm joined today by nitza Hemanez, A parent and family connection coach who supports families in navigating values, identity, and conversations that are often considered taboo.

Dori Durbin: Nsa, I'm very glad to have you here.

Nitza JImenez: I'm happy to be here. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to have this conversation. It's so important to empower parents and that's just my passion.

Dori Durbin: I agree. So for our listeners who don't know you yet, could you tell us a little bit more about yourself and why you got into [00:01:00] this area?

Nitza JImenez: Yeah, of course. So I started in education over a decade ago. I was a teacher. I've worked with kids from infants all the way to 12th grade. And throughout that process, a lot of parents were always asking questions

Nitza JImenez: And then I started to realize it's because I know the child's brain development, I've worked with so many different ages and parents just need that support 'cause they're experts at their jobs and other things, but not expert at parenting or child development.

Nitza JImenez: And through that I started doing my own research using, what I used in the classroom to help them at home. And then I honestly used parenting strategy in my classroom. From the teaching years, I transitioned to community health educator. And that's where I started working directly with parents.

Nitza JImenez: I've worked with over like 250. And I taught communications and values, communications and specifically those tough topics and realized [00:02:00] that all, most parents just want strategies to help their kids be happy and healthy. And that is what I'm here to support on.

Dori Durbin: I love that. And you talk about your number of families that you've helped and the number of years that you taught.

Dori Durbin: And I'm like, you couldn't have, you're so young. You're so young.

Nitza JImenez: Yeah. So I literally started when I was like a teenager. I was just like, I know what I want. I wanna be, at first I was just like, I wanna be a school principal. That didn't work out 'cause I just decided. School system, although I love the students, I realized that my passion was working with the parents.

Nitza JImenez: And so that's where I made that switch. But yeah, since a teenager I was tutoring. I started subbing. I got my degree in education. I became a teacher. And then throughout those different experiences, it's what led me to working with the parent.

Dori Durbin: You know, it's funny because as I'm listening to you talk about this, about using parenting strategies in your classroom.

Dori Durbin: I think there's this moment, especially with tweens and teens, where those [00:03:00] conversations become so emotionally loaded and those topics like. Puberty, sexuality, mental health, or even like their identity as they're growing. It just puts you on this edge of a tightrope almost as a parent.

Dori Durbin: So which topics do you think are the most uncomfortable and probably the most avoided by parents to talk about?

Nitza JImenez: Honestly, like you said, the sexual health components, generally speaking a lot of people didn't get that language growing up. Their parents either avoided it completely. Maybe it was just like, oh, school will take care of it.

Nitza JImenez: Schools generally don't, especially nowadays. Or they just are scared. They're gonna say the wrong thing. Is this too much? Is this too little? And they start overthinking. Instead of realizing that we could take a chunk out of time, we can talk about the period first, and then go on to what ultimately does that lead to?

Nitza JImenez: Or we could talk about healthy relationships. That's actually [00:04:00] sexual health topics. It's just like, what's the difference between a healthy relationship and an unhealthy relationship consent is another sexual health topic that it's not talking about sex in general, but it is leading you to that conversation eventually.

Dori Durbin: So I'm just thinking back to my experience. So when you help parents actually decide when to start having those conversations how do you help them navigate that? Because some parents might feel like that needs to happen at 12, and other parents might be like, that's too late, or maybe that's too early.

Dori Durbin: How do you help them decide that?

Nitza JImenez: I think that there's never a right moment. I think we need to throw out that thinking it's gonna be perfect. It's never gonna be a perfect time. It's when your child starts asking questions or maybe a situation around it.

Nitza JImenez: Maybe you watched a movie and there was a teen pregnancy there. You can talk about that. It doesn't have to be this loaded moment of like, I'm having the talk right now. [00:05:00] It literally just could be, we saw this together. Let's just talk about what that means, how we could protect ourselves.

Nitza JImenez: What thinking do you have about this topic or knowledge? You can just ask questions and generally speaking, your kid is going to answer the questions. You might have to pry a little more. Some of them are gonna be like, oh. But you're feeling awkward too. They're gonna feel awkward. Let's just feel awkward together.

Dori Durbin: Do you think that's, why a lot of parents don't talk to their kids about some of these topics because of that awkward list? Like, do they feel like, if I talk about this with my kid, it's gonna be so weird and every time we see something on tv, they're gonna look at me and remember this moment.

Dori Durbin: Is that part of what is holding parents back from doing that?

Nitza JImenez: I think yes, it's partially that awkwardness, but it is also that they don't want to misinform their child. They don't wanna tell them wrong information that's gonna lead them to making a mistake. And then the third [00:06:00] component I would also say is they feel.

Nitza JImenez: That if they start talking about it, that they're giving them permission to do things. But studies show that if you talk about these topics, not just sexual health, but just like drug prevention and things like that, the child or the person in general is. Able to make a logical decision and tends to shy away from making that decision too young.

Nitza JImenez: Because if they're empowered with the knowledge of, let's say, this can cause STIs, this can lead to pregnancy, I am definitely not ready for that. Then they can vocalize like, no, I'm okay. not for every child, of course, but generally speaking, if you give them that knowledge, they have the power to make a grounded, logical decision.

Dori Durbin: I like that. I think you're right too. I mean, there are kids that you know, they're ready to have the conversation or they're mature enough to have this conversation and they're the ones that aren't ready yet, and you have to really kind of. Step back and [00:07:00] assess that as a parent too.

Dori Durbin: So when you were talking, I was envisioning some of the horror stories that appear in your head when you think about trying to prep for these kind of conversations.

Nitza JImenez: Yeah.

Dori Durbin: And I was trying to think, is there a way. That parents can discern whether or not this conversation needs to happen outside of just the coincidental thing.

Dori Durbin: So like the movie is one thing. We watched it, it had a party, didn't expect. Now I'm worried because my daughter's getting texts from these older boys and. What are these conversations? And I ask only because the way I was raised, and I love my mom to death, don't get me wrong, but it was the scare factor.

Dori Durbin: It was, you don't wanna do that because the next thing is this and the next thing is that. So how do we have these conversations, I'm assuming, in a better way, and the scare tactics?

Nitza JImenez: Parents or people revert to what they learn a better way would making it a healthy decision.

Nitza JImenez: [00:08:00] Humans are going to have sex at one point or in the other. And that in itself isn't wrong or bad or dangerous. It's how did we get there? Was there consent again, making that consent conversation in the frontline, like, are you, when you get to that point, are you gonna feel comfortable or is that other person gonna feel comfortable?

Nitza JImenez: What does yes and no mean? Making sure they know what is a healthy relationship? And when you get to that point, if marriage is something that your family values before sex. Then talk to them about it eventually when they're in high school, college. More specifically, they might not agree with you, and I'm not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing, but that is a reality that we all have different experiences and sometimes our values don't always line up exactly perfectly with our parents.

Nitza JImenez: But again, if you can talk to them about consent, healthy relationships [00:09:00] STI, how to research things and who to go to, like a doctor, then you're preparing them to have a healthier relationship with themselves, with you. 'cause now they can also know like. Oh, my boyfriend or my girlfriend or what have you talked to me about sex and I don't know how to respond, and they're more than likely gonna come to you.

Nitza JImenez: So many teenagers will be like my mom said, or my dad said, no, they do. I promise you they do.

Dori Durbin: That's both encouraging and frightening at the same time, because if you don't know and you're putting them off with something that you think is right, that's different.

Nitza JImenez: And you said if you don't know, and that's okay too for you not to know, and you can say, hey Johnny. That's a great question. That I don't know. Let's research that together. Or maybe we actually have to go to the doctor to get more information or it's okay to show that vulnerability as well.

Nitza JImenez: 'cause that is another lesson that you're teaching your [00:10:00] kid. Like, Hey, my parent is willing to tell me that they don't know something. That they're not the end all. Be all that. I can also show that I may not know something and I can learn. We can learn together.

Dori Durbin: Yeah. I love your concept of going to the doctor especially because.

Dori Durbin: I'm assuming that if the kids don't go to their parents for the answers, they're gonna go to social media, they're gonna go to friends, and that's probably got its own dangers and pitfalls. Right. Do you see that quite a bit?

Nitza JImenez: Yeah, definitely. Honestly, sometimes the kids are finding out from social media before the parents even have the conversation.

Nitza JImenez: And then again, back to what you just said, that misinformation. So don't put this pressure on yourself of being perfect.

Nitza JImenez: You're saying everything. It's an ongoing conversation and you're gonna tackle different parts of it at different times of your relationship with your child. Whether that was started when they were. Three years old ask for the first time asking where baby come [00:11:00] from and you point to your stomach, or they are now 18 or 20 and just like coming up like, Hey, I actually am considering having sex.

Nitza JImenez: Like those conversations again, are gonna be ongoing for. A lifetime at some points. 'cause then hopefully one day you're gonna become a grandparent and your kid's gonna come to you about that. Those situations too, like how do I navigate this? What were you thinking? What were your fears when you were pregnant or when my mom was pregnant?

Nitza JImenez: Those conversations are gonna happen and it's. Building that trust for your kid to come back to you and at least talk about it. Again, you don't have to have all the answers, and sometimes you're not gonna have any of the answers 'cause they just want you to listen to them. That like this situation happened to me and it was scary and it was terrible and or it was amazing.

Nitza JImenez: I just wanna share it with you.

Dori Durbin: I think looking at the long-term relationship [00:12:00] is something that when you're in the thick of it. You just, don't see, my husband brought up this analogy recently, and I think it's such a good one.

Dori Durbin: When you're inside the frame, you don't see the picture. And I think parenting, you're constantly stepping in the frame because you're in the middle of everything going on. You don't think down the road when they're 25 or 27 or whatever age they are when they're married and start to have kids. I wanna be there and I wanna be part of that conversation and that support system.

Dori Durbin: So even as awkward as they are, it's probably worth the awkwardness in the long run. Right?

Nitza JImenez: Yeah. And then also remember that that awkwardness is gonna go away eventually. The more often you start having these taboo conversations, the more. Regular or used to both sides of the relationship's gonna be you as a parent and them as a kid are gonna get used to it and it's not gonna feel awkward.

Nitza JImenez: They might start like, think another way of [00:13:00] thinking about it if something happens for specifically like a girl, if she's having trouble with her period, she's more than likely gonna come to you and be like, Hey. This, there's been weird colors going on where if you've never had these co conversations, then they might.

Nitza JImenez: Just suffer in silence and it might lead to something way worse. Or even for your, for a boy, they can have discharge and that's not healthy. But if we're not talking about it, then who do they go to when they might just suffer in silence? And that's not right either. And I'm not saying that to put pressure on you parents at all, don't take it.

Nitza JImenez: It was like, oh my gosh, is my kid not talking to you? No. Okay, this is, it's a prac. Parenting is basically a practice, just like I made a mistake yesterday and how I said that, but guess what? Today you have an opportunity to talk to your kid again, and that is okay. You could be like, Hey, that statement came out wrong, you might have used a curse word and now been like, [00:14:00] that was so disrespectful. You come back like, Hey, I'm sorry I cursed at you. I was very angry. I. Do think that situation was wrong, but how I spoke to you was also wrong, and that is okay.

Nitza JImenez: There's a balance when we're talking to our kids that again, you can start over. You have another chance. They love you, just like you love them. They make mistakes that you forgive and you are gonna make mistakes that they will also forgive.

Dori Durbin: So true. One of the things I wondered about was when parents come with those big emotions to the table, a lot of it, it seems to me, at least from my parents, was unnamed fear.

Dori Durbin: Yes. They were afraid. And so because they were afraid of something that I was asking or. Wanted to do or whatever it was, they reacted even more emotionally because it scared them so much. Yeah. Do you think that's a common thing that you see as well? [00:15:00]

Nitza JImenez: A hundred percent that we do. We're emotional creatures and all of our emotions are healthy.

Nitza JImenez: It's how we react to them that is not healthy. So if you realize like you had this conversation and. Maybe it was about sex and when's the right time to have that? And your kid was like, I don't care about marriage. You might get triggered and start yelling or reprimanding. And yes, it might be wrong how you said it, but you could come back like, Hey, this was something that meant a lot to me and I want to reset that conversation and explain why it means so much to me.

Nitza JImenez: And I'm not saying you have to change your mind. I hope you change your mind, but. This is how I feel and I hope we can respect one another, and that that is an older child conversation. We're talking older teens, not your teen tween or a child, obviously. But those are the conversations that as they're getting older, we're gonna have [00:16:00] to navigate because just like you had.

Nitza JImenez: A different experience than your parents. They are also having a different experiences than you, and they're getting so much more information than we ever did with social, back to that social media component. And we have to navigate that a little differently and be a little more self-reflection.

Nitza JImenez: Reflection. It's reflective and aware. When we're coming to this because they're getting information not from just 20 years ago, but they're also getting it from people all the way in Africa, Asia, down the street. They're getting it from people guessing what's gonna happen in 20 years. And then we have AI and all of these things.

Nitza JImenez: So if we're aware of our feelings, our values, and where that. They might be getting so much information that they don't know what to do with, we can come more calmly to that conversation.

Dori Durbin: You mentioned values, and I think that's a key component of [00:17:00] your coaching, right?

Nitza JImenez: Yes.

Dori Durbin: Yeah. So can you talk a little bit about that?

Dori Durbin: How you can set your conversations with your values in mind, like what does that look like for parents?

Nitza JImenez: So I always say, think of our voice. When I say voice, that's the values. Think where did it come from? Is it a cultural value? So does it come from your country, your community?

Nitza JImenez: Does it come from your family? Does it come from you and your experiences? Because that can. Be very different in how we react to it. 'cause some of the things we pick up on our voice or our value is defined from outside factors and we've just never questioned it. And then acknowledge your feelings.

Nitza JImenez: Where it came from, how you react to it is it's something that you're willing to change or grow on. And then live that, those values, if you're saying your value is respect and honesty, but you're not living [00:18:00] that with your own child, like you're always reprimanding them, you're not actually talking to them.

Nitza JImenez: You're not showing them the respect that you want them to show you. Like we need to again, live it and express it so they can express it back to us. Understand. When I say understand, I mean understand yourself, but understand that they are different from you as well. Express. So talk about it. Talk about what you feel, talk about what they feel, where can we find a middle ground?

Nitza JImenez: Where are things that we are a hundred percent in line with? 'cause those are things that are gonna be great too, and then sustain that. So ask questions, say, hey. I know we just talked about X, Y, Z, but if you have more questions, you can come back to me.

Nitza JImenez: If something confuses you, I'm here for you. Our relationship is important this sustained conversation at all [00:19:00] points of your life is something that is important to me. So those are kind of how I navigate values and what I call the values method.

Dori Durbin: Ah I, so all of that together.

Dori Durbin: Really keeps the family on the same page as far as, you know, this isn't aligning to our values of who we are as a family. And then hopefully that follows them after they leave the family go to college and all the other things, right?

Nitza JImenez: Yeah, definitely. And then as they go to college and just start living their lives, they'll become more friends with you.

Nitza JImenez: There's some kids that will call you every so often, and that's okay. And there's some kids that'll call every single day, but eventually they're gonna come to a point that's like, I'm gonna call just to talk to my parent, just to check in.

Nitza JImenez: Like, personal example, me. I went to go visit my dad this weekend and we went on a pizza voyage all over New York basically. And it was fun and we, me and my dad are foodies, so it was cool.

Dori Durbin: That's awesome. So you share those, it's [00:20:00] probably a value, right?

Nitza JImenez: Yeah.

Dori Durbin: Let me ask you kind of a side question to this, because

Dori Durbin: If you have kids that maybe you haven't gone through some of these values as you know, attachments, I'm gonna call them. Yeah. And you are noticing that these kids are kind of secretive, they're withdrawing, maybe they're just not talking very much.

Dori Durbin: What might be going on there? What do parents do?

Nitza JImenez: Some of it is because in the past. You didn't have those conversations, so they don't know how to navigate it themselves now. So instead they shut down. Sometimes tweens and teens just start going into that phase.

Nitza JImenez: Like, I want nothing to do with you. This is mainly a now, and that's just the developmental age. But what I suggest is try to find things that they're interested in, music sports plays. What is it that. Allows them to just be happy. That brings them joy whenever it comes on or whenever [00:21:00] you do it and say, Hey, do you wanna go to that concert?

Nitza JImenez: Do you wanna do these things? Let's just find that connection. And it might be something that you can't stand. I'm not gonna lie, there might be some songs, some movies or a sport that they just. Love and you're just like, how? Why? I hate this. But if that's your connection to your kid, try to learn what brings them joy.

Nitza JImenez: You don't have to understand it. You don't have to like it, but you can support them and if they see like, Hey, my mom, my dad. Really cares about this one thing I care about. Then they're more willing to try to invite you into their world because they see that you value their world even though it's not the same as yours, even though it's not something you like, you're just like, I'm here for you and I'm excited that she's succeeding and that you're loving this.

Dori Durbin: I love that. I it's investing in the things that they already stand for and wanna put their [00:22:00] time into. Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. All right. For those parents who are listening right now who maybe don't have a teen or a tween, but they have kids and they're gonna turn into those teens and twe.

Dori Durbin: What is something that you wish that they could teach their kids now that will help them later when they do get to those ages where things start to kind of shift and change?

Nitza JImenez: I think that emotional regulation on the parents' part is just like it. Again, back to if you yell at them and use more force or crude words, or if you made a mistake in general.

Nitza JImenez: Be open with them, just like, Hey, I could have said that better. Let's, let me restate that. Or, Hey, I am stressed out right now, and when mom, mommy, or daddy is stressed out, I lash out a little bit, so I just need some love, five, 10 minutes in the room by myself so I could come to [00:23:00] you at a calm state and talk to you like you deserve instead of me feeling all emotional.

Nitza JImenez: Things like just showing them that language and the fact that you're. Conscious of your feelings will help them gain more trust and come to you when you're stressed out or overwhelmed, if your thing is to go on walks, tell 'em, Hey, this is what I do to help me feel better, what do you think will help you feel better?

Nitza JImenez: When they have tantrums or even after that, talk to them about how you regulate. So they learn how to regulate. And then when those tough conversations come up, you can use those strategies with them.

Dori Durbin: Love it. That , great advice. And you're teaching them some life skills really

Dori Durbin: at three, they're starting to get those life skills of how they find their calm and find what gives them joy and peace.

Nitza JImenez: Yeah, it's really important. Often don't see how, when we actually model things, how it impacts them, because we might say a lot of [00:24:00] stuff, but most humans don't learn from just from hearing things.

Nitza JImenez: They have to see it. They have to do it, and they have to hear it. We need more than one way of acknowledging things to learn them.

Dori Durbin: Okay. I know our listeners are thinking right now about how to get ahold of you, what that looks like. What is it like to work with Nitsa?

Dori Durbin: So can you tell us about that and the programs that you offer?

Nitza JImenez: Yeah, so you can find me on LinkedIn. That's my primary source. So you can connect with me there. I do have a landing page that I have shared with you so you guys could check it out and book a call with me. I have a 12 week program called Rooted Connections,

Nitza JImenez: we talk about how to go over. Tough topics and I give you strategies. Home integrations, it's not homework. It's integrating into your life and your child's life. And then that whole program, 10 weeks are group based, so you understand that you're not alone. There's other parents [00:25:00] that are going through this with you, and two of the leads is one-on-one.

Nitza JImenez: I also offer one-on-one coaching outside of that. And I have a few workshops coming up as well. Yeah, I love my workshops.

Dori Durbin: Are they on parenting with teens or what are those on?

Nitza JImenez: Yeah, so I actually have one coming up next week. It's called conversations That Lead to Connections. And that is all about talking with your teens and.

Nitza JImenez: Having connections with them. And then I have an emotional modeling one that isn't booked. That one's more with organizations, so at schools, PTAs and things like that. And I come and talk to those parents about how do we demonstrate emotional regulation with our kids.

Dori Durbin: Ooh, they're so lucky to have that from you. That's awesome.

Nitza JImenez: Thank you.

Dori Durbin: So if there is a parent listening today who is right on that boat of feeling overwhelmed, maybe even disconnected from their teen or tween, what is one simple action step that they could take this week to rebuild that connection with [00:26:00] them?

Nitza JImenez: I think definitely a good hook would be maybe sitting down and watching a movie with them or show and talking about it. If it's something that like one of those awkward conversations, would be helpful, or just talking to them and asking them how they're doing.

Nitza JImenez: Why do they you like this? What is something that really interests you? Asking, getting to know them, basically just like you do with other strangers. Try to get to know your kid in a different way, how their friends are getting to know them. I know it's gonna be different because you're looking at your baby.

Nitza JImenez: It's just like, no, that's my kid. I need to protect them. I need, yes, you do need to do all of those things, but they're also they're a little human, so if you can just ask questions to get to know them, that is so vital.

Dori Durbin: I think it goes back to what we were saying about do you want the information to come from you or social media, you know?

Nitza JImenez: Exactly.

Dori Durbin: I have a son and a daughter, and both of them have, talk to me at different points about [00:27:00] relationships in some way.

Nitza JImenez: Yeah.

Dori Durbin: And both of them were scared to bring it up. And I was like, I, I feel like I've been honest. I feel like I've been open. And I feel like the relationship piece of connection, it starts off so rough for most kids. You know, it's, it's physical.

Dori Durbin: It's. Now it's Snapchat, it's

mm-hmm.

Dori Durbin: TikTok, it's all those, it's not real. It's just perceived a lot of times. Yes. And so when you were talking, I was like, oh, how do we talk about some of those pieces that maybe parents are seeing, but they're like, well, this is just how it is.

Dori Durbin: But they're not making that connection to like, this is what they think is a normal relationship now.

Dori Durbin: Like I, mm-hmm. I don't know. And maybe that's just my old school ways.

Nitza JImenez: No, honestly, those things do come up a lot. It is difficult sometimes a suggestion I give parents and teens are. Like sometimes those awkward moments or the something that you're scared to bring up happens, you can text your parent like, [00:28:00] Hey, I don't wanna talk to you about something, but that I've been avoiding, so please can we talk about it this weekend?

Nitza JImenez: And it gives everybody a moment to like, okay I know this is coming and we're gonna talk about it. Everyone's in the know that this is gonna happen and it gives some you time to process like. They're bringing up something important that I need to be regulated for. And there also know like, Hey, now my parent knows that this is an important conversation that I need them to be regulated for.

Dori Durbin: I like

Nitza JImenez: So that's something I always, suggest. Or even, like I said, back to sharing information, even if it's like a TikTok clip that they wanna share and they can share with you, like, Hey, I, this doesn't make sense. I have, I'm confused about this. Can we talk about this?

Nitza JImenez: Bring technology into the relationship instead of trying to push it completely away. Mm-hmm. Because at the end of the day, it's there and we need to help one another [00:29:00] navigate it.

Dori Durbin: I do think there's a lot of value in teaching the parents with little kids a lot of what's coming up. Because yeah, you get them after the trouble started, right? I mean, like,

Nitza JImenez: I try to not shy away from either one. I just love supporting parents in general.

Nitza JImenez: Yeah. 'cause if the more parents I could support, the more kids I could support. And at the end of the day, I just wanna make sure children are happy and healthy, my whole life has been supporting kids and I do that now through helping their parent. So it doesn't really matter the age, generally speaking, it is just, that's been my niche.

Nitza JImenez: And, but I'll talk to any parent.

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Dori Durbin: So it'd be better for you to find out together and have that, connection that way then for them to find it all on their own. 'cause who knows what they're gonna find

Nitza JImenez: and remember. It's not going to be perfect. When you start having these conversations, please throw away that mind of it's gonna be perfect.

Nitza JImenez: It's not. It's gonna be awkward at times, and [00:30:00] sometimes you're gonna have that win celebrate your wins. Those are so important. But give yourself some grace when it doesn't go perfectly, when they're still just like shutting you out. It's gonna take time. It's going to take you repeating it over and over before they'll be like, oh yeah, actually, yeah, I wanna hang out with my mom today.

Nitza JImenez: It's gonna take time. And that's okay. You're not wrong. You're doing your best. And your best is good enough.

Dori Durbin: Love it. Okay. And I hate to even stop you because I think there are so many questions that are unanswered right now, but they know how to contact you and get ahold of you. And I just wanna thank you for your valuable time and tips today.

Dori Durbin: This is awesome.

Nitza JImenez: Of course. Thank you for having me.

Dori Durbin: And listeners, remember that parenting isn't just like she said about having perfection. It's about staying connected to your kids and looking at that for life. So at the end of the day, we all want just one moment that we can say now that was good parenting.

Dori Durbin: Alright, talk [00:31:00] soon.